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Lo qual como oyese el noble conde llamado Gómez, el qual en aquella saçón morava en Burgos con la reina.
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Texto de las crónicas anónimas de sahagún. --> español medieval. me interesa sobre todo la posible traduccion de la palabra "saçón".

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That [is], as had heard the noble count named Gómez
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That [is], as had heard the noble count named Gómez, who, at that time, was living at Burgos with the queen.
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"Saçón" seems to be the old spelling of the word "sazón", which means "season" (a period of time).
最終承認・編集者 dramati - 2008年 2月 9日 19:32





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2008年 2月 8日 09:29

dramati
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This is missing the "subject" in the translation. For instance: That ( ) it is said.

What was said? Right now a native English speaker would have no idea what you are talking about.

2008年 2月 8日 10:02

goncin
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dramati,

This sentence sounds weird in Spanish. It seems to be a subordinated phrase, whose main one is lacking. It is why it begins with "Lo cual" [translated into "That" ou even "Who"].

2008年 2月 8日 10:51

dramati
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So, is t here someting you can do to fix it up? It is hard to understand what is going on in English.

2008年 2月 8日 10:58

goncin
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Is it understandable now, as I edited?

2008年 2月 8日 11:03

dramati
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Yes. A bit archaic but certainly understandable.

2008年 2月 8日 11:06

goncin
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If it works this way, it's fine, because the comments say the Spanish is also archaic (mediaeval to be exact)!

2008年 2月 8日 13:42

lilian canale
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"como oyese" = as had heard
"morava" would keep the meaning if translated as" was living" and I guess, it would sound better in English.

"That [is], as had heard the noble count named Gómez, who, at that time, was living in Burgos with the queen."

2008年 2月 8日 15:16

goncin
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Lilian,

Your suggestion about "was living" is OK.

As for "como oyese" -> "as had heard", I'm not sure. If I understood it well, "como oyese" should be translated in a manner like we in Portuguese say "como dizem (ou como se ouve) [por aí]". What would be the subject of "as had heard"?

2008年 2月 8日 16:58

lilian canale
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...the noble count named Gómez is the subject, Goncin. He is the one who had heard "something" that was probably mentioned earlier in the text.

"as it is said" would have been "como dicen".

oyese = subjuntivo imperfeito (oyese / oyera). Do verbo oir (ouvir).
In Portuguese : como ouvira (teria ouvido) o nobre conde....
So, the best option in English is: as had heard the noble.....

Agree?

2008年 2月 8日 17:04

goncin
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Well, I should confess I was seeing the things by other side. In my mind, oyese was the verb oye (3rd person singular, present tense) plus the pronoun se.

I'll change it. Thanks!

2008年 2月 8日 17:06

goncin
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David, I think the poll should be reset now. There were too many changes.

2008年 2月 8日 17:14

lilian canale
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Goncin:

nothing better than a fine explanation to change our minds!
But let me tell you something...oye is not the verb, it is the simple present 3rd. person of the verb.
It is an irregular verb in Spanish, like "ouvir" is in Portuguese. Hard to understand when you are not a native.
Your guess was wrong, but for the rest, you've done a great translation.

about "saçon" you're right. It refers to an expression (old as well) "a la sazón" which means: en esa época (at that time).


2008年 2月 8日 17:30

goncin
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María17,

La traducción es del español al inglés, y no al sentido contrario.

CC: María17

2008年 2月 8日 17:37

María17
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oooooppppssss... ¡Que pena!

¡¡¡Gracias Goncin!!!

2008年 2月 8日 20:34

lilutz
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Doesn't the preposition in suit better? "living in Burgos"

Actually I'm just asking, because prepositions are always the hardest part for me!