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अनुबाद - स्पेनी-अंग्रेजी - Lo qual como oyese el noble conde llamado Gómez,...

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शीर्षक
Lo qual como oyese el noble conde llamado Gómez,...
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chulozrhद्वारा बुझाइएको
स्रोत भाषा: स्पेनी

Lo qual como oyese el noble conde llamado Gómez, el qual en aquella saçón morava en Burgos con la reina.
अनुबादका लागि चाहिन सक्ने थप जानकारी
Texto de las crónicas anónimas de sahagún. --> español medieval. me interesa sobre todo la posible traduccion de la palabra "saçón".

शीर्षक
That [is], as had heard the noble count named Gómez
अनुबाद
अंग्रेजी

goncinद्वारा अनुबाद गरिएको
अनुबाद गर्नुपर्ने भाषा: अंग्रेजी

That [is], as had heard the noble count named Gómez, who, at that time, was living at Burgos with the queen.
अनुबादका लागि चाहिन सक्ने थप जानकारी
"Saçón" seems to be the old spelling of the word "sazón", which means "season" (a period of time).
Validated by dramati - 2008年 फेब्रुअरी 9日 19:32





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2008年 फेब्रुअरी 8日 09:29

dramati
चिठ्ठीको सङ्ख्या: 972
This is missing the "subject" in the translation. For instance: That ( ) it is said.

What was said? Right now a native English speaker would have no idea what you are talking about.

2008年 फेब्रुअरी 8日 10:02

goncin
चिठ्ठीको सङ्ख्या: 3706
dramati,

This sentence sounds weird in Spanish. It seems to be a subordinated phrase, whose main one is lacking. It is why it begins with "Lo cual" [translated into "That" ou even "Who"].

2008年 फेब्रुअरी 8日 10:51

dramati
चिठ्ठीको सङ्ख्या: 972
So, is t here someting you can do to fix it up? It is hard to understand what is going on in English.

2008年 फेब्रुअरी 8日 10:58

goncin
चिठ्ठीको सङ्ख्या: 3706
Is it understandable now, as I edited?

2008年 फेब्रुअरी 8日 11:03

dramati
चिठ्ठीको सङ्ख्या: 972
Yes. A bit archaic but certainly understandable.

2008年 फेब्रुअरी 8日 11:06

goncin
चिठ्ठीको सङ्ख्या: 3706
If it works this way, it's fine, because the comments say the Spanish is also archaic (mediaeval to be exact)!

2008年 फेब्रुअरी 8日 13:42

lilian canale
चिठ्ठीको सङ्ख्या: 14972
"como oyese" = as had heard
"morava" would keep the meaning if translated as" was living" and I guess, it would sound better in English.

"That [is], as had heard the noble count named Gómez, who, at that time, was living in Burgos with the queen."

2008年 फेब्रुअरी 8日 15:16

goncin
चिठ्ठीको सङ्ख्या: 3706
Lilian,

Your suggestion about "was living" is OK.

As for "como oyese" -> "as had heard", I'm not sure. If I understood it well, "como oyese" should be translated in a manner like we in Portuguese say "como dizem (ou como se ouve) [por aí]". What would be the subject of "as had heard"?

2008年 फेब्रुअरी 8日 16:58

lilian canale
चिठ्ठीको सङ्ख्या: 14972
...the noble count named Gómez is the subject, Goncin. He is the one who had heard "something" that was probably mentioned earlier in the text.

"as it is said" would have been "como dicen".

oyese = subjuntivo imperfeito (oyese / oyera). Do verbo oir (ouvir).
In Portuguese : como ouvira (teria ouvido) o nobre conde....
So, the best option in English is: as had heard the noble.....

Agree?

2008年 फेब्रुअरी 8日 17:04

goncin
चिठ्ठीको सङ्ख्या: 3706
Well, I should confess I was seeing the things by other side. In my mind, oyese was the verb oye (3rd person singular, present tense) plus the pronoun se.

I'll change it. Thanks!

2008年 फेब्रुअरी 8日 17:06

goncin
चिठ्ठीको सङ्ख्या: 3706
David, I think the poll should be reset now. There were too many changes.

2008年 फेब्रुअरी 8日 17:14

lilian canale
चिठ्ठीको सङ्ख्या: 14972

Goncin:

nothing better than a fine explanation to change our minds!
But let me tell you something...oye is not the verb, it is the simple present 3rd. person of the verb.
It is an irregular verb in Spanish, like "ouvir" is in Portuguese. Hard to understand when you are not a native.
Your guess was wrong, but for the rest, you've done a great translation.

about "saçon" you're right. It refers to an expression (old as well) "a la sazón" which means: en esa época (at that time).


2008年 फेब्रुअरी 8日 17:30

goncin
चिठ्ठीको सङ्ख्या: 3706
María17,

La traducción es del español al inglés, y no al sentido contrario.

CC: María17

2008年 फेब्रुअरी 8日 17:37

María17
चिठ्ठीको सङ्ख्या: 278
oooooppppssss... ¡Que pena!

¡¡¡Gracias Goncin!!!

2008年 फेब्रुअरी 8日 20:34

lilutz
चिठ्ठीको सङ्ख्या: 63
Doesn't the preposition in suit better? "living in Burgos"

Actually I'm just asking, because prepositions are always the hardest part for me!