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Et samfund...
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Idioma de origem: Dinamarquês

Et samfund,
der er blevet så hårdt,
at mennesker slås ud,
har tabt.
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A society ...
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Inglês

Traduzido por Minny
Idioma alvo: Inglês

A society
which has become so harsh
that people suffer,
has failed.
Último validado ou editado por lilian canale - 29 Maio 2010 23:44





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28 Maio 2010 20:56

pias
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I think "slås ud" here means to be "knocked out/ excluded" of the society, due to unemployment, illness, poverty..

28 Maio 2010 22:52

gamine
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Hej Pia. I'm not sure here because "slås" signifies
"to fight". Anyway the Danish submission is quite weird and I suppose it can be understood in many ways. Anyhow Minny should know it as she submitted it but she didn't talk about that.

CC: pias lilian canale

28 Maio 2010 23:03

gamine
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Hej Ernst. Can I have your opinion here, please?

28 Maio 2010 23:08

lilian canale
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Hi guys, could you help us, please?

CC: Bamsa Anita_Luciano

28 Maio 2010 23:12

gamine
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God idea, Lilian. Otherwise we would keep discussing
for hours.

CC: pias

28 Maio 2010 23:38

Francky5591
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If the French version was to be done after the English one, it would give :

"Une société dans laquelle
il est devenu si dur de vivre
que le peuple en souffre (ou que "les gens en souffrent" )
est perdue"

28 Maio 2010 23:41

Anita_Luciano
Número de Mensagens: 1670
A society
that has become so harsh
that people suffer
has lost.


PS: "slås ud" could mean a lot of things and without any context, it´s hard to say what the correct meaning is here, but I like Lilians suggestion ("suffer" )

29 Maio 2010 00:40

lilian canale
Número de Mensagens: 14972
Considering Anita's input, I'd propose:

"A society
which has become so harsh
that makes people suffer, (that causes suffering)
is lost"

Do you agree?


29 Maio 2010 00:45

gamine
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I personnally do.

29 Maio 2010 01:17

Anita_Luciano
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I don't really see why it has to say "that MAKES people suffer" ---> what it says is that "society has become so harsh that people suffer"

And the Danish version does not say that society IS lost, but that is has lost ("is lost" would be "er fortabt" ).


29 Maio 2010 09:45

Minny
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Thank you so much all of you!!!

Literally: Like in a ring: knocked out (by stress etc.)Laying on the floor, not able to raise again.
I cannot remember my initial translation.
Is it O.K. (K.O. ha,ha)to replace "suffer" with "knocked out", like this:
A society
that has become so harsh
that people are knocked out
has lost.
?
If this is not good, I go for Anitas version.

29 Maio 2010 12:08

Burduf
Número de Mensagens: 238
je me demande aussi....
Ne manque-t'il pas une petite virgule dans le texte français ?

"Une société dans laquelle
il est devenu si dur de vivre
que le peuple en souffre est perdue"

29 Maio 2010 12:57

lilian canale
Número de Mensagens: 14972
@ Burduf, ce commentaire doit être placé sous la traduction française. Sur cette page, nous discutons de la version anglaise.

@ Anita, I can see that it literally says: "has lost", but in English that sounds incomplete to me. I mean it seems a direct object is missing.
has lost (what? ). That's why I thought the meaning was "is lost".
Perhaps we could use: "has failed" (if that is the meaning)

29 Maio 2010 13:50

Anita_Luciano
Número de Mensagens: 1670
If "slås ud" is to be interpreted as "knocked out" (like in a boxing ring), then I think we should also maintain "has lost", as though it were in fact a fight/game (something in which you can either win or lose).

What do you think?

29 Maio 2010 16:38

lilian canale
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Hum...that's a problem with literal translations. So "has lost" means: "has been defeated" ?

29 Maio 2010 17:05

Anita_Luciano
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well, it corresponds directly to the Portuguese "perdeu"

It seems to me that if you use "has been defeated", there would have to be an opponant, which there isn't in this case.

29 Maio 2010 17:27

lilian canale
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Here we come to what I said before: has lost what?

29 Maio 2010 19:01

pias
Número de Mensagens: 8113
"...has lost its way."?

29 Maio 2010 21:18

Anita_Luciano
Número de Mensagens: 1670
humm... ok, in that case, I think "has failed" is the best option.

30 Maio 2010 08:26

Minny
Número de Mensagens: 271
Thank you so much! "has failed" exactly! :-))))
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