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八风吹不动,一屁过江来。
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Originalo kalba: Supaprastinta kinų

八风吹不动,一屁过江来。
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This is a fragment from a poem by Su Dong Po.
There is a story behind it, originally was 八风吹不动,端坐紫金台 but his Buddhist friend made a joke or something like that and it became 八风吹不动,一屁过江来。

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If you don't care what others think...
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Anglų

Išvertė cacue23
Kalba, į kurią verčiama: Anglų

If you don't care what others think,
why do you object the above statement?
Pastabos apie vertimą
I checked the story, thanks for making me gain this piece of knowledge. It is really amazing how sharp the irony is since the situation is quite common.
The story says that Su Dongpo was quite sure that his mind is so much at peace that none of what others think would influence it, so he wrote 八风吹不动,端坐紫金台, expressing this idea to his buddist friend. The friend frankly told him to "f-off", and Su Dongpo was enraged and rushed to the other side of the river to ask what was wrong with the statement, thus showing that his mind was, in fact, not totally free from the opinion of others. His friend pratically satirized him by saying 八风吹不动,一屁过江来: well, didn't you say that you wouldn't care what others think?
The translation can't really be done word for word because 1.it is some fragment of a poem, 2.it will be hard to explain in a few words what the "eight winds" means, and this is the best I can do.
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(Ian's notes)
Here is a more literal translation:
You claimed to not be moved by the winds from the eight directions,
but my little fart blew you clear across the river!

Here is Pluiepoco's interpretive translation, of the meaning of the friend's comment:
One is moved only by the desires within oneself.
Validated by IanMegill2 - 20 vasaris 2011 01:46





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8 vasaris 2011 17:37

lilian canale
Žinučių kiekis: 14972
Hi cacue,

This is a bit confusing. Are you translating the request or explaining it in different words?
Pluiepoco, can you help us here?

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11 vasaris 2011 22:57

cacue23
Žinučių kiekis: 312
It is pretty much impossible to translate it word for word and make English speakers understand what it means. It has stories and culture attached to it. The only thing I can do is to rephrase it so that the meaning comes out.

13 vasaris 2011 05:43

IanMegill2
Žinučių kiekis: 1671
In the light of the story (which I didn't know: thank you, Cacue! ), I guess it wouldn't be "I" in the first line, if this was said to Su Dongpo by his teacher. It would have to be:

If you are so "imperturbable", why are you so troubled by what I said to you?

On the other hand, if it is Su Dongpo himself (reflecting on his foolishness) who is saying this, it would have to be something like:

I claimed I was "imperturbable", but a single comment made me rush across a river!

At any rate, I think we should also include the literal translation here, in the notes under the translation. (And keep Cacue's wonderful explanation, of course!)
("You claimed to not be moved by any of the winds from the eight directions, but my little fart blew you across the river!" )

13 vasaris 2011 21:23

lilian canale
Žinučių kiekis: 14972
Hi Master,
Could you take care of this evaluation, please?
Thanks in advance.

14 vasaris 2011 06:54

IanMegill2
Žinučių kiekis: 1671
Sure Lilly!
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Hi Cacue,

After having given it some thought, I think if we include your story about the background, we could attempt a near-literal / semi-interpretive translation, like:

You (or "I" ) claimed to be so imperturbable, but my (or "his" ) little comment made you (or "me" ) rush across the river!
or
I (or "You" ) thought I was (or "you were" ) "immovable", but his (or "my" ) little comment drove me (or "you" ) clear across the river!

I think this would still be understandable by English native speakers, especially in light of your very good explanation!

What do you think, guys?

CC: cacue23 pluiepoco

17 vasaris 2011 18:01

Mallea
Žinučių kiekis: 5
Thank you everyone!
I really wanted to know the meaning of that poem.

20 vasaris 2011 07:24

pluiepoco
Žinučių kiekis: 1263
I am late, Happy New Year!

I read the story again and again, and I would translate like this:

One can be moved by nothing than its inside desire.

20 vasaris 2011 01:37

IanMegill2
Žinučių kiekis: 1671
Wow! Deep...
One is moved only by the desires within oneself...

Hi Cacue,
Are you happy with my final "compromise solution"...?
I think it's so wonderful the way we can get everybody's ideas together here on , and help the submitter really understand the meaning of the text...

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