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доброе утро
любят быть!
языка есть разные начала ...
Узнайте slavic алфавите перед Рождеством ужин
о настоящем : не волнуйся! Вы будете любить его
друга
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18 december 2006 08:53

jvhoppli
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Dobrov umro
lyubyat byt'!
Yazyka est' paznye nachala ...
Uznajte 'slavic' alfabite pered Rozhdestom uzhin o nastoyashchem: ne volnujsya! Vy budete lyubit' ego druga

Good morning
They love to be!
Learn the 'slavic' alphabet before Christmas supper ...: do not be worried! You will love it's friends

19 december 2006 05:16

ramarren
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That's not fair! I've translated the same way and my translation was rejected - but it's not my fault that the text in Russian has not any sence
By the way, in current translation is at least one mistake - in last phrase plural is used but there singular should be... From other sides, this translation does not have differences from mine and it will be the shame for experts if this translation is accepted

19 december 2006 06:55

kafetzou
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I've rejected both English translations, because I can't understand them at all! I didn't mean to be unfair to anybody - I just have no idea what this one is about! As far as the Portuguese translation is concerned, as far as I can tell it was done from one of the rejected English ones.

19 december 2006 07:21

jvhoppli
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This is a help for the translation, not a real translation. It's just a message and that's why it isn't rejected. The real translation still has to be done, if it's possible to do it off course in a understandable way.

19 december 2006 07:57

ramarren
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kafetzou

You're not alone can not understand translation - I am native Russian speaker and I am not able to understand original russian text! May be, something wrong with it, but not with the translation?

OKAY, let's deal with separate phrases of this mess. So..

1. доброе утро
It's just "good morning" - no doubds can be...

2. любят быть!
Face-to-face translation is "they love (like) to be", but what the author meant - I do not know.

3. языка есть разные начала...
As I already have mentioned in the comments, the main problem is about "tongue" or "language" the author speaks. If we learn this, we'll be able correctly translate the sentence, but in any case there will be only two variants:
1)"There are different beginnins of the language"
2)"There are different beginnins of the tongue"
Of course, another more exotic variants can exist. For example, the word "beginning" may be used as synonym for "source".
Main conclusion: it's almost impossible to translate such phrase without any context.

4. Узнайте slavic алфавите
The most senseless words in the text, another translation I can not find - "Learn (know) the slavonic alphabet". Geee, sounds like the nightmares of a madman, does not it?

5. перед Рождеством
Translation is "before Christmas", it's quite clear, very easy words.

6. ужин
Just "supper", here also we should not search for any hidden sense.

7. о настоящем : не волнуйся!
"About present: do not worry!" Also easy.

8. Вы будете любить его друга
"You will love his friend." No other variants.

So, I must say that the main problem with this text that we're trying to watch at it as at something integral, but, may be, it's just the set of different unconnected phrases?

19 december 2006 17:07

kafetzou
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Thank you Ramarren - it's beginning to make sense. I think these are separate ideas. The one that makes the least sense to me is #2 - is there any other way to interpret it?

My guess is that someone was invited to a Russian household for Christmas dinner. His friend is saying, "Just try to learn the alphabet before the dinner, and don't worry about bringing a present."

My question is only this: Could it mean, "Just learn the Slavic alphabet as a present"? In other words, they would be so impressed by that that they would consider it a gift?

As for "You will love his friend," I'm guessing it could be his/her/its, right?

What do you think?

20 december 2006 05:31

ramarren
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Gmmm, it's quite original idea about Cristmas supper

As to #2 the only alternative is "they like (love)to be present at..." - for example, "they like to be [present] at festivals"...

As to slavic alphabet the verb is not LEARN as a process of getting knowledge but as synonym to COME TO KNOW, to FIND OUT. So, according to this, I do not think that your suggestion is right... I've told that I have no idea what this stuff means...

As to the frend it's 100% that friend is only HIS..
her - её
his, it's - его
But speaking about people we can't use a neuter gender, so it may mean ONLY "his"

20 december 2006 06:24

kafetzou
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Thanks for all your help, Ramarren. On the basis of what you said, I decided to accept the second translation, which of course IS unfair, since that's not the one you did, but it's the one that most closely agrees with what you said.

Thanks again!

20 december 2006 07:45

ramarren
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Well, I do not see any differences between my tanslation and between what I've said I just explained the path of my thoughts...

But you're wellcome anyway...