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Derdimi seviyorum.. Biliyorum ki derdimi veren de beni seviyor.. Seven, sevdiğinin nazını ölçüyor.. Sevilen çekmesin de neylesin?
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I love my sorrow... I know the one causing my sorrow loves me too... The one in love measures the coquettishness of the beloved ... What is the beloved to do but give in?

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2012年 一月 2日 22:54

kafetzou
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What does "birinin nazını çekmek" mean?

2012年 一月 2日 22:55

Mesud2991
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pander to one's whim?

2012年 一月 3日 01:00

kafetzou
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We don't really use the verb "pander to", except in the case of a politician or an advertiser pandering to the whims of the people. It has a negative connotation. Does the Turkish phrase have this connotation too?

2012年 一月 3日 15:09

Mesud2991
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Let me put it this way, "naz" is a behaviour exhibited by generally girls in order to make boys begged by acting unwillingly. It hasn't a negative connotation as long as it's not taken to extremes. There is an idiom expressing this idea; "Fazla naz aşık usandırır".

2012年 一月 3日 19:37

kafetzou
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OK; now I'm really confused - that sounds like flirting to me, or in old-fashioned English coquettishness. Why did you translate that as "whim"?

So the one in love measures how much the beloved is firting with him???

[NOTE: Flirting in English is VERY different from flört etmek in Turkish, unless the meaning has changed since I lived in Turkey - in English it is exactly what you described in your last post above.]

2012年 一月 3日 19:59

Mesud2991
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OK then.

The one in love measures how much the beloved is firting with him.

2012年 一月 3日 20:07

kafetzou
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Is it correct now? I've made a few changes - I used "coquettishness" because if it was written by Rumi it can be a bit old fashioned.

2012年 一月 3日 20:13

Mesud2991
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Like I said, I'm not sure what the "çekmek" exactly means. Most probably, it should be "naza çekmek"?

2012年 一月 3日 20:20

Mesud2991
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Yeah, I think "naza çekmek" is more meaningful than "acı çekmek".

2012年 一月 4日 13:59

Mesud2991
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I think the last sentence should be “What is the beloved to do but play hard to get?"

2012年 一月 5日 06:18

kafetzou
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I changed it again. It's still not "play hard to get" but it's a little closer, I think. What do you think?

2012年 一月 5日 10:50

Mesud2991
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Ellerine sağlık, güzel bir çeviri oldu.

2012年 一月 5日 18:39

kafetzou
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Sağol - yine beraber çözdük.

2012年 一月 5日 23:46

merdogan
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naz çekmek ...> to accept coyness
What should the beloved one do instead of accepting coyness ?

2012年 一月 6日 04:00

kafetzou
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But isn't it the beloved who is being coy here?

2012年 一月 6日 09:26

merdogan
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Yes s/h is.

I suppose Lein 3 is " Sevilenİ çekmesinde..." or "Seven çekmesinde...."
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What should the lover one do instead of accepting (his/her)coyness ?

2012年 一月 6日 17:00

Mesud2991
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Sevilen (naza) çekmesinde neylesin? (kendisini naza çekmek)

What you are saying is "seven, sevdiğinin nazını çekmesin de neylesin?". The subject is not "the lover".

2012年 一月 6日 17:50

merdogan
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Yes I know them but I thougt "the lover" is better.

2012年 一月 6日 23:32

kafetzou
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Siz karar verdikten sonra düzeltirim gerekirse.

2012年 一月 7日 09:33

Mesud2991
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I beg to differ.
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