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翻译 - 拉丁语-英语 - Quod ordines seu sectiones librorum Sacrae...

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Quod ordines seu sectiones librorum Sacrae...
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Quod ordines seu sectiones librorum Sacrae Scripturae sint quatuor.

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Holy Scripture
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翻译 Efylove
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Because the division or sections of the books of the Holy Scripture are four.
lilian canale认可或编辑 - 2009年 十月 5日 11:56





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2009年 九月 25日 13:16

Aneta B.
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jarirhaas, no, it can'T be considered as a question. If it was a question it woulD sound in this way:


"Sintne quatuor ordines seu sectiones librorum Sacrae Scripturae?'

2009年 九月 25日 23:21

lilian canale
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"plot" is the story in a novel and
"instalment" is like an episode
Do you think any of them fits here?

2009年 九月 26日 00:04

Aneta B.
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Well, Lilly, I'm not sure. This is why I asked you. Thank you for your precise explanations...
But, please, let's try to find similar words matching the Bible... I don't know exactly what the author wanted to say by "quattuor ordines seu sectiones". Four Gospels according to Matthew, Mark etc.? or sth else?

2009年 九月 26日 00:07

Aneta B.
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Well, I will ask one priest tomorrow. He can know it

Besides I found typo in the request:
quatuor --> quattuor

2009年 九月 26日 21:12

Aneta B.
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ordines seu sectiones --> groups or sections


2009年 九月 27日 06:15

jairhaas
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Aneta B, thank you for the translation. The author is arguing in favor of the traditional Christian quartopartite division of the OT (taken over from the Greek trans. of the Bible - the Septuagint), as opposed to the Jewish tripartite division adopted by Jerome in the Vulgate and many Christians in the authors own time and place (15th century Spain). According to your translation he seems to be contradicting himself, or he is being unclear, contrary to his own intentions. Do you have any idea how to resolve this contradiction? Furthermore, what would be the grammatical analysis of "comprehensorie", " and "partitur"?

2009年 九月 27日 06:17

jairhaas
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Maybe things will become more clear as we proceed.

2009年 九月 27日 06:21

lilian canale
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jairhaas,
Please don't call for an admin. This is not an administrative issue.
The discussion of a translation happens among the expert in charge, the translator, the members voting at the poll and the requester, of course

2009年 九月 27日 06:36

jairhaas
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Lilian, please expand on your exact intention, that I may learn!

2009年 九月 27日 16:54

Aneta B.
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I think I already know what you meant.

The author probably says about different "TRADITIONS" or "ORDERS" in canon of the Holy Scriptures. Four traditions: 1. Canonical texts 2. Jewish canon (Hebrew Bible), 3. Samaritan canon, 4. Christian canon.


Look also here:
Biblical canon

and
Bible


But we still don't know how to translate "sectiones" (versions?). Because by "traditions" (orders)I will translate "ordines"... But, we can also say: "orders or traditions" I guess...

But I will check it also in Church Latin Dictionary, when I have the possibility.
Hope I helped here a little.

p.s. I am not a person who translated the text, jairhaas

2009年 九月 27日 16:55

Aneta B.
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Ordo (ordines) is also often translated by "rite" or "ritual". Compare: "Ordo Romanum" = "Rituale Romanum" (Roman Ritual)...

2009年 九月 30日 01:21

lilian canale
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Efylove, would you like to make any change in your translation after all this discussion?

2009年 九月 30日 08:18

jairhaas
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The following explanation might be helpful: The author polemicizes with the Jewish division of the OT into three orders (Law, Prophets, Writings) and aims st vindicating the traditional Christian quadripartite division (Law, History, Prophets, Wisdom).

2009年 九月 30日 09:54

Efylove
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I would change "series" with "orders" and keep "sections" - according to jairhaas' last explanation
What do you think?

2009年 十月 2日 17:45

lilian canale
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'orders' or 'ordering'?

2009年 十月 4日 14:10

lilian canale
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Efylove?

2009年 十月 5日 10:26

Efylove
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Sorry Lily! I almost forgot... So, I don't know exactly the difference between "order" and "ordering", but - I've searched a bit on the web - I think "ordering" is better.

So, should I change the translation in: "orderings and sections"?


2009年 十月 5日 11:37

lilian canale
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I'm sorry Efylove, but I'm still not sure about the real meaning of the word you must use
Could you define "ordines"?

2009年 十月 5日 11:46

Efylove
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I think "ordines" could be "classes, orders/orderings, divisions" --- according to what jairhass said about the "Jewish division of the OT into three orders (Law, Prophets, Writings)".

2009年 十月 5日 11:57

lilian canale
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OK, issue solved
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