Nakala asilia - Kilatini - Large prophetia est denunciationis futuroru...

This is an original script of the text sent me by Jair.



I just try to decipher the text, but maybe somebody could HELP us here. The medieval abbreviations are sometimes so mysterious!

This is what I have done until now:

Large prophetia est denunciationis futurorum verbis, vel factorum expressio figurativa, etiam hoc omnes libri veteris testamenti pn-t dici, prophetales, vel continere prophetiam, quia figuras futurorum manifestat: omnia na-q; quae sunt in veteri testamento sunt quaedam figura eorum, quam accidere debebant in nouo, sic patet prima ad Corinthios circa 10. Omnia in figura contigebant illis: specialiter , prophetia dicitur denunciatio futuri verbo, vel factorum p. hoi-e habere ..sporum?? propheticum, & hoc modo oe-s libri scripti a prophetis dum tn- ipsi, prophetice praedixerint ea, quae continent in eis. s. praenunciando de futuris, dicuntur libri prophetales, & sic libri Psalmorum, & Danielis sunt prophetales, quorum denunciationes quaedam futurorum in eis sunt. specialissime autem prophetia dicitur denunciatio futuri, vel factorum anthonomasice, & per viros prophetas, & isto modo? differt prophetia a Psalmis, & Daniele, quia illae non sunt denunciationes anthonomasice factorum. Dicunt et quod hoc modo Iosue iudicum Samuel, & duo libri Regum prophetales sunt, quia erant a viris, qui sunt anthonomasice prophetae.

Efee, I need your help...

CC: Efylove

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Jair, I think that the abbreviation sign in the middle doesn't mean "s", this is only a sign which indicates simply that some letters are lacking. And I would decipher it as "etiam"

ca. is a short for "circa" and means "about, approximately"
Chor. can be short for "Chorus", but I am not sure of that.
and this "io" it can be a numeral indeed, but not "10" of course. Maybe it is
ІϽ = 500 (later “D”)?

Could it be that "oes" = "omnes"?

"pnt" seems to be "ponunt" or something like that, since the intention seems to be that from this point of view (that figurative speech is prophetical), all books of the Bible could be considered prophetical (figurative = past events foresee similar events in the future). What do you reckon?

I got it: Chor. refers to the book of Corinthians (NT), he is saying that there there is a proof that events in the OT foresee (figuratively) events in the NT.Now all we have to do is to read through that book and find the place (a reference to the OT, probably).

"Dnr" = dicentur?

Great job, Jair. It was very helpful indeed. I'll try to deal with the translation now...
In the meantime, try to find the reference in the Old Testament, ok?

The reference is in the NT, and it is a reference to the OT. Unfortunately I have to go now, I'll try tomorrow morning. Good Night!

Ok, I'd like to tell you only that if we look into the Ancient Greek New Testament original, (into the First letter to the Corinthians) the word "προφητεία" (prophecy) appears only four times: 1 Cor 12,10; 13,2.8; 1,22; 14.6.

Hope it is useful.

CC:jairhaas

Aneta, i have gone over your translation:

1. In this case "ca." must be "capitulus"

2. I understand the general intention of the passage thus: Broadly speaking, prophecy is a figurative prediction of the future in words or deeds. Psalms and Daniel are indeed prophecy from the point of view of foretelling the future figuratively, but they are nevertheless a bit different, since they do not predict the future by relating past events (Psalms = hymns; Daniel = metaphorical visions). This is supposed to justify why Psalms and Daniel were not placed in the prophetic section (afterwords he rejects this solution b/c Daniel does contain events, and for other reasons also).

3. "Aut." is probably "autem".

4. Aviris should be men, not husbands.

5. I liked the translation of "anthonomasice" - in some sense, or in some different sense, I suggest translating thus is all cases.

1. ca --> capitula?

2. Yes, indeed.

3. Yes, this is why I have changed it already before in the text above and have put it in bold,

4. aviris --> should be read: "a viris" - by men. I typed men/husbands, because sometimes "husbands" stand for "men" in such a kind of expressions like "husbands of glory"

5.

If capitula means chapter, the answer is yes.

I just submitted a short passage for translation.

On friday afternoons, Jews wish each other "Shabbat Shalom!" - may you have a peaceful day of rest! This is what I wish you also.
(In Israel sundays are regular workdays)

capitula = capitulum in plural, but I think I met the word also as a singular somewhere.
Yes it is sth like chapter or sth smaller than chapter..

Shalom aleihem, dear Jair!

Aneta, I think time has come for you to submit your translation and get the points that you more than deserve. I, for my part, am satisfied, since we have succeded in deciphering the main gist of the passage, and this is enough for me in order to complete my research. Also, submitting it might evoke some helpful responses (from Efy, for example, where has she gone?), and further improve it (and our knowledge of Abbr. in medieval Latin). Thank you so much for your extreme willingness to help me. I'll be back soon with additional challenging tasks.

By the way "Shalom Aleihem" is when you meet someone you haven't seen for a while. In order to say "bye" or "see you" - you use "Lehitra'ot" (to meet again) or "Lehishtame'a" (to hear from you).